Showing posts with label Marco Rubio. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Marco Rubio. Show all posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013
A request to readers - give us your Rubio climate rebuttals
I'd like to try a little experiment here - a little over a week ago, Marco Rubio graced the Internet with his nontheories regarding climate change. I thought about doing a line-by-line rebuttal and then decided you all might be able to do a much better job than me.
So below I'm putting Rubio's claims down, one at a time for your rebuttals and prebuttals. As a way of responding to the finding that repeating falsehoods reinforces them, even if corrections are added, the way I want to do this is precede each claim with the truth, then give the claim, and then follow up with more truth.
Just leave your rebuttals and links below in the comments - and please say which claim(s) you're responding to. As they develop, I'll add the best. What's really needed is a special wiki devoted to refuting his nonsense, but in its absence I'll be the referee (Eli too if he wants), adding the best refutations and links. I'll look for the most concise, most readily-understood refutations with the most-generally-accepted link sources. No more than two or maybe three before and after each claim - if a refutation gets bumped, it'll be included as additional sources in footnotes.
Let's see if this works. To the Rubio quotes!
Claim 1. Relevant truth:
Claim 1. Ignorance from Rubio: "Anything we would do on [climate change] would have a real impact on the economy but probably if it's only us doing it a very negligible impact on the environment."
Claim 1. More truth:
Claim 2. Relevant truth:
Claim 2. Ignorance from Rubio: "Ultimately if you look at the developing countries which are not developing countries any more, China, India, and others, they're now the largest polluters in the world by far."
Claim 2. More truth:
Claim 3. Relevant truth:
Claim 3. Ignorance from Rubio: "....On the other hand if we unilaterally impose these sorts of things on our economy it would have a devastating impact on economics depending on which measure it is we're talking about."
Claim 3. More truth:
Claim 4. Relevant truth:
Claim 4. Ignorance from Rubio: "I think that's what more than anything else is standing in the way of doing anything on this, there has to be a cost-benefit analysis to every one of these principles that people are pushing on and the benefit I think is difficult to justify when you realize it's only us doing it, nobody else is doing this."
Claim 4. More truth:
Claim 5. Relevant truth:
Claim 5. Ignorance from Rubio: (Responding to the question whether he sees global warming as a threat to Florida)"....The fundamental question is whether man-made activity is what's contributing the most to it. I understand there's significant scientific consensus on that issue. But I've actually seen reasonable debate on the principle."
Claim 5. More truth:
Claim 6. Relevant truth: "Delaying action is a false economy: for every $1 of investment in cleaner technology that is avoided in the power sector before 2020, an additional $4.30 would need to be spent after 2020 to compensate for the increased emissions." International Energy Agency 2011 (via ThinkProgress)
Claim 6. Ignorance from Rubio: "But beyond that the secondary question is is there anything government can do about that that will actually make a difference.... When you look at the cost benefit analyses being proposed, if you did all these things they're talking about, what impact would it really have on these changes that we're outlining? On the other hand I can tell you the impact that it would have on certain industries and on our economy, and that's where it falls apart."
Claim 6. More truth:
Friday, February 01, 2013
Obama picks up the "it's not a coincidence" theme
From the Union's State:
Now, it’s true that no single event makes a trend. But the fact is, the 12 hottest years on record have all come in the last 15. Heat waves, droughts, wildfires, floods, all are now more frequent and more intense. We can choose to believe that Superstorm Sandy, and the most severe drought in decades, and the worst wildfires some states have ever seen were all just a freak coincidence. Or we can choose to believe in the overwhelming judgment of science and act before it’s too late.I continue to think the fact that science has a story that provides closure, while science denial relies on "it's all just coincidences, one after another!", is a key advantage in pulling the fence-sitters to our side, and one we need to push a lot harder. The most scientifically-convincing evidence is about the non-coincidence between warmth and greenhouse gases, but the public can think about the climate weirding throughout the world as additional non-coincidences.
Something else that's more of a tea-reading exercise - here's more of his speech a few paragraphs later:
Last year, wind energy added nearly half of all new power capacity in America. So let’s generate even more. Solar energy gets cheaper by the year. Let’s drive down costs even further. As long as countries like China keep going all-in on clean energy, so must we.Sadly, I think I agree with Eli that Keystone pipeline to take out oil sands will get built, despite my hopes last year (maybe John Kerry demanded freedom on this issue, but I doubt it). There is another hand though - I'll bet the administration, if it okays the pipeline, will balance its destructive action with something that helps humanity. They'll marry the two issues just like Obama did in his speech, although they might not frame them the same way as I do.
Now, in the meantime, the natural gas boom has led to cleaner power and greater energy independence. We need to encourage that. That’s why my administration will keep cutting red tape and speeding up new oil and gas permits.
UPDATE - the substance of Senator Rubio's response to Obama on climate:
When we point out that no matter how many job-killing laws we pass, our government can’t control the weather – he accuses us of wanting dirty water and dirty air.Truth hurts sometimes. More on Rubio soon.
UPDATE 2: Just listened to David Sirota, who independently made the same prediction that Obama will balance Keystone approval with climate action.
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