Showing posts with label per-capita emissions. Show all posts
Showing posts with label per-capita emissions. Show all posts
Sunday, March 03, 2013
Another way to look at it: China and India committed to permanent greehouse gas advantage for the US (and Marco Rubio is lying)
News recently announced that China plans to enact a carbon tax, along with its longstanding commitment to never match US per-capita emission rates, and India's greater commitment to never match OECD rates, all suggest a need to look at emissions a different way.
What matters is total emissions over the modern time period from the recent past until several generations (at least) into the future. There has to be a limit, that limit has to be divided among nations, and that division has to take population into account at some level. The US can't be expected to produce the same total emissions as Mexico, and China can't be expected to produce the same as the US.
So if we set a per-capita limit, with China and India agreeing that for all of the 20th Century and for much of the 21st Century that the US can produce more per-capita, then the total per-capita emissions over the two centuries (or even just the 21st Century) will be far greater for the US. China and India are saying they're willing to accept that outcome.
China and India could easily have taken a different stance, and said that because the US produces more emissions per-capita in the first 50 years of the 21st Century (let alone the previous century), then they should be allowed to produce more per-capita in the second half. Instead they are planning to do more than we are doing.
For Republicans like Marco Rubio to say the rest of the world is doing nothing and therefore we shouldn't either, when China and India have actually committed to do more than the US by having total lower emissions, is outrageous. And no matter how you slice it, Rubio is lying about India repeatedly - even with three times the US population it is not "polluting in the atmosphere much greater than we are" - their total emissions are one-third of ours. Rubio is lying, and the rest of them are deceptive.
Monday, July 23, 2012
Good climate news, bad climate news
On the good news front, an excellent post from David Roberts on the amount of emissions the US has cut in recent years. Go read. Joe Romm has argued that we may have reached peak emissions in the US in 2007, this provides additional support. New to me was that wind power is following the same downward price trend as solar, and may reach price parity with gas in this decade.
So enough with the good news. Bad news is with global emissions generally, and China particularly:
Global emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) -- the main cause of global warming -- increased by 3% last year, reaching an all-time high of 34 billion tonnes in 2011. In China, the world's most populous country, average emissions of CO2 increased by 9% to 7.2 tonnes per capita. China is now within the range of 6 to 19 tonnes per capita emissions of the major industrialised countries. In the European Union, CO2 emissions dropped by 3% to 7.5 tonnes per capita. The United States remains one of the largest emitters of CO2, with 17.3 tones per capita, despite a decline due to the recession in 2008-2009, high oil prices and an increased share of natural gas.I still wouldn't assign China the same level of blame as Europe - it's the total emissions per capita that matter, not the annual emissions. China has also promised not to hit the US level of per capita emissions. While China and India don't deserve the same level of blame as the developed democracies, they are on a very dangerous course for the entire world.
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Tuesday, April 10, 2012
Skinny people dieting to reduce human biomass
So concludes David Appell about Mexico's new climate change law (my paraphrase). Kinda hard to find detailed info about the law - David has useful stuff, a little more at Nature, and then way too much to sort through at the official legal gazette in Spanish.
The 50% below 2000 levels by 2050 will attract attention, but short term is what counts most to me. They want 30% below business as usual by 2020, which sounds impressive but vulnerable to weird accounting.
They set overall limits and allow emission trading, so this is cap-n-trade for those who don't like that kind of thing. I think it can be done well or done poorly. Hopefully the American and European experiments will help Mexico figure out a good system.
Mexico's drought may have spurred political support for the law. Too bad we've seen less action here in the States, although climate weirding has seemed to pick up some popular notice.
Progress, a bit at a time.
UPDATE: what I really wanted to find out is if the law has a counterpart to what's been in American proposals - a tariff on imports from foreign nations that don't control carbon emissions. That would be interesting, and entirely appropriate. I skimmed the long Spanish web page but ran out of steam before I could find out.
Friday, November 13, 2009
Arguments against per-capita emission limits are arguments that support massive HFC-23 releases by developing countries
I think the takeaway that India and other countries should get, from the reasoning why industrialized countries must be allowed higher per-capita emissions, is that India should pump up its own emissions.
The reason why people think we Americans and Europeans should have higher per-capita emissions, as far as I know, are that we can do it, we make money doing it, and we've been doing it. As far as being able to do it, India might not be able to create an industrial economy overnight, but they could easily start creating and venting HFC-23 to the atmosphere, with 11,000 times the greenhouse gas effect of CO2.
Venting HFC-23 might not make money for India immediately, but if future emission reductions are based on each nation's baseline emissions, then it could make economic sense to pump up that baseline so reductions are less difficult.
The last argument by industrialized nations, that we've been polluting the atmosphere for a while and therefore should be allowed to continue at a higher rate than those who haven't been polluting, doesn't work quite as well as an argument for this thought experiment. However, it does mean that potential polluters should hurry up and start polluting as much as possible and as early as possible. It still says to India to get in line right away with high emissions to make as long a claim as possible the right to continue polluting.
Obviously it would be a disaster for India or any other developing country to carry out this idea, but it's no worse a disaster than what is already happening in the US and other developed nations who are already causing a high rate of per-capita emissions.
The alternative, I think, is to acknowledge that some form of per-capita emission limits are appropriate, that high-emission countries don't want low-emission countries to act as we do, and that we're willing to make it worth their while not to increase their emissions.
Bonus unrelated blogging: since I've disagreed with Joe Romm elsewhere in this blog, I'll just also note here that he's done a lot of good work, particularly on American climate policy issues. I'm adding Climate Progress to my blogroll.
More unrelated blogging: from TPM, Sarah Palin "rembers being a voracious reader [in her youth], favorites including John Steinbeck's 'The Pearl' and George Orwell's 'Animal Farm.'" I'd be more impressed with her voracity if it included books over 100 pages long.
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